justwannachat wrote:

Aristostomias wrote: justwannachat wrote: Mate ( yes you Aristostomias) I thought you'd come to help me stop the fighting rabble!!! Oh well, I guess this is a perfect example that us Mods are also human. I did consider it but a) you were already here b) I couldn't be bothered to review what had gone on . Maybe later. Quote: come come you may kick my butt for my faults. I wanna know who's the best buttkicker. I think Aristostomias can kick butt better than I can. I'm too much of a softie. Faults.. you have faults????

everybody made mistakes. I may made faults. And you may kick me for those faults but you have to explain me first about those faults I made and prove that I was wrong.

Hermoira_Mita

we are all here to learn.

suppoding that there is three people in the kitchen preparing a delecious dish for you. but you don't know that there is three people.

all those cookers did their best to make a delecious dish, but when they finnshed. only one of them toke it to you and told you : good apetite.
of course you'll tell him thank you and when you finnish you'll say: you're realy a good cooker thank you very much.

it's the same with science. for example in physics we have this relations n1 x sin i1 =n2 sin i2 we call it descart releationship of light reefraction.

but before descart there is many scientists who studied this phynomena like ibn hazm and others.

in algebra you know that (a+b)² =a²+2ab+b² but have you ever know for who is this ?

in biology study how a cell can gives 4 cells but have the teacher told you who discovered the chromosome, chromatids.......

at high school they teach us phynomenas in genral, when you go to university and you study physics or biolgy you know that every single things was discovered by a scientists.
it's like building a house and every one help to build it. you get my point !!????

i wonder why i find some people in every topic who talks about islam here on interpals.

why you try to give bad image about islam to others ?

everyone here has the right to ask ? (the reason is they don't know about islam)
but your goal isn't knowing islam, your goal is to prove to others how islam is bad and how much it is negatyive relegion.

i don't need to tell the names of those people because they know themselves. i have seen your posts on other topics about islam, and all what you try to do is to say to others : islam is the false relegion.

you can do what you want but you can't convince others to be like you : to be body's slaves and desire's robots.

Hermoira, you are reading my posts from reverse. I clearly mean that if you did not hear somebody he can be famous whatever. I m happy for you that you join some scientific experiences but it doesnt mean you can know everything or everybody,

your sentences against me are hard ones. you do not know who i am even or what i have studied etc. The thing s that i never claimed i know everything or i have too much knowledge. I m trying to debate here with my humble knowledge about ISLAM,

Look to the topic , it s about islam so for sure i have right to write here more than you . And you what are you doing here ? giving 1 positive sentence then following 10 negative ones.
Underestimating people ll make me just arrogant and i hate being or who is arrogant. But i wont be stopping myself to give the right answer to whom deserves.
I m repeating again, you were just crying a couple days ago to not judge anybody. But look now, you are judging a religion and its followers. you change your mind maybe. That s why your sweety words do not come honest to some people.. If you decide sth to do you should stand behind it.

You can write me an answer if you want but you ll not get another one from me. I wont change direction of thread because of you.

ayoubalmo wrote:

Hermoira_Mita we are all here to learn. suppoding that there is three people in the kitchen preparing a delecious dish for you. but you don't know that there is three people. all those cookers did their best to make a delecious dish, but when they finnshed. only one of them toke it to you and told you : good apetite. of course you'll tell him thank you and when you finnish you'll say: you're realy a good cooker thank you very much. it's the same with science. for example in physics we have this relations n1 x sin i1 =n2 sin i2 we call it descart releationship of light reefraction. but before descart there is many scientists who studied this phynomena like ibn hazm and others. in algebra you know that (a+b)² =a²+2ab+b² but have you ever know for who is this ? in biology study how a cell can gives 4 cells but have the teacher told you who discovered the chromosome, chromatids....... at high school they teach us phynomenas in genral, when you go to university and you study physics or biolgy you know that every single things was discovered by a scientists. it's like building a house and every one help to build it. you get my point !!????

While I acknowledge Islamic civilisation made important contributions to science, these contributions don't have to be founded on Islamic tenets. Greek civilisation made huge advances in science and so has modern Western civilisation, particularly in the last 150 years. Neither of these civilisations was based on the Islamic religion. Religious beliefs did provide a motivation for some scientists but often the relationship is ambiguous, as Galileo's case showed. Your arguments are confused and hard to get at but you seem to be arguing to know the truths we accept, our mind needs a special graced illumination by God. This idea has already been raised in Western philosophy by people like Plato, Augustine and Descartes. It is a fascinating theory, but there are deep problems with it. Personally, I don't think you need explicit religious beliefs to understand and do science. Faith can lead to the belief that science points to something beyond itself, a Transcendent, but this itself requires an act of faith beforehand. You can't conjure or prove God's existence from science.

Christians study science,not because they are christian,but because they want to study science...
Jews study science,not because they are jewish,but because they want to study science..These two groups do not attribute their efforts to their religion,generally speaking but Ayoubalmo and other moslems in the threads claim the achievements of moslem scientists as being the achievements of islam,look what islam has done for the world...

greg3001

i think you have heared about jihad, unfortunatelly when western people hear "jihad" they think about explosions and terrorism( because when tv channel say jihad : it shows automatically explosions).
but jihad doesn't mean that, looking for the knowledge is jihad, the love of science is jihad in islam. and the first word of quran is "iqraa= read"
(read by the name of your lord who created...)
quran talks a lot about science,i mean god tell us to love science and to learn more. the value of the mind and knowledge is big in that book.

i think i don't agree with you, because science show us that there is something strange in this world.
in my opinion science is a train who toke me to know many things but i feel that i have to change the train and to follow another way.
science is made to understand material world : when we divide something to a very small particles we find molecules, atoms, protons...these rae the most smaller things we can now.but can science tell you from where they came from ? and can science tell you why those protons should make molecules ? i hope you won't tell me : it's considence !!
all this proves that there is somethig strange in our world.

and when we use logic,by the way i think you have heard about the example of the cave:
when someone lives all his life in a cave and he wasn't never out, he will think that all the world is "that cave. and for him it's impossible that there is another world, all the truths (for him) is in that cave. it's the same for us we don't accept that there is a other world and we don't aaccept that there is a creator for this universe, why ?
because we live in a cave !!
i can be a muslim without thinking about these things, but i can be a more then good beliver if i know these things.because belief become more wonderful when we belive by heart and mind.

goel

muslim or not muslim , science and knowledge are important and everyone has to learn .

islam just encourages muslims to knowldegde , why do you make things complicated ?

what do you mean by " look what islam has done for the world " ?

Just a bit of my input - Not only Muslims contributed in science but their contribution cannot be denied either which is being done by some people who would always bash Islam, Muslims whenever the opportunity appears or troll here pretending to be more intelligent and better than any Muslim in this world getting harsh and understandable reactions for the things they themselves say.

well in fact, I see not too harsh reactions but the things being explained which as if words for the deaf fail to reach their ears.

I'd say Muslims who over rate their own are annoying too in general as are the habitual 'hitters' of Muslims always trying to prove how bad their beliefs are, how dumb and with no contribution in science Muslims are.

But there are some very clever comments on here which I agree with that lost of civilisations contributed to science, including Islamic ones.

Goell i guess you should read the thread from beginning. There was an attack against muslims by someone here as blaming and slandering islam and muslims to be weak in science. The answers came through because of this . There were given some famous scientists and their religions even.

The question of topic was clear and was answered in the same way. I dont understand what was the point to offend muslims again by this.IF we want to speak why muslim countries (i do not believe there s a muslim country in real meaning ) do not develop It must be spoken in politics . No need to speak deep international issues here.

The question was clear and the answer as well.