And sure, Quran is not a scientific book to be used with the examples of science in it. But people saying Muslims do not or did not contribute to science are simply wrong and not well read I'd say.

Catmania wrote:

And sure, Quran is not a scientific book to be used with the examples of science in it. But people saying Muslims do not or did not contribute to science are simply wrong and not well read I'd say.

I agree. However, at least today (and I think for a few hundred years already) the contribution of the muslims to science is... pathetic, whatever the reasons. In 2005, the Arab world produced less scientific publications that Harvard alone -- and their quality sucks, too[1].

That's not to say that there aren't/haven't been brilliant muslim scientist: Abdus Salam is very famous for electroweak symmetry breaking (Glashow-Salam-Weinberg mechanism) of the Standard Model, and Nima Arkani-Hamed is widely acknowledge theoretician today.

[1]"Science in the Muslim world", physicworld.com, April 1st 2010

I have read the thread several times..Now by way of answering..Ayoubalmo:: Look what islam has done for the world" ..Did you look?? What did you find??
Someone: When a moslem commits an act totally abhorrent to others the response of islam seems to be ;Well he is not a REAL moslem this act is not REAL islam,and now you are saying there is no REAL moslem country..I am sure you will find many moslem countries who disagree with you..Some of the moslem posters (and supporters here) have a habit of saying things "by the way" which are presented as "taken as read"...Take for example the statement above by Ayoubalmo..."looking for the knowledge is jihad"Hmmm,when you read that islam divides the world into two,,,Dar el salaam (where islam rules ) and Dar el harb (where islam does not YET rule ) the veracity of his statement is called into question...When Dar el harb is a place which does NOT WANT islam,islam is to be FORCED upon it...THAT is jihad,and everything else about jihad is wool over the eyes...

That question i m asking myself several times for my own country . dar el salaam or dar el harb
I can not judge somebody whether he s real muslim or not. Only Allah knows that. But for the act yes i can if islam accepts it or not.

Dar el Salaam and Harb is not about forcing islam upon it. It s about muslims life. I explained it before.

Perhaps,,but you weren't convincing,...

Goell wrote:

""And the sun runs to a FIXED resting place"".....Ok ,the sun is in the sky,it doesn't go wandering off,so, it is fixed...Resting place..if one was unaware that the earth is a globe,and if,like mohammet,one is convinced that the sun sets on the earth,then it would not have an orbit,it would go from east to west each day,no one thought to ask mohammet how the sun got back to the east ready for the morning...Mohammet said the earth is stretched out like a carpet,,,a carpet is flat, with edges,,mohammet did not KNOW there were people and life on the other side of the world,how could he?? the world according to him was flat..Yes yes "like" a carpet..But how does the sun get back to the east without being seen ?? We are talking FLAT earth..Mohammet would have been wiser to answer....Bretheren I do not know the answer yet,jibrill has not told me but I will pray,perchance on the morrow ,I will have the answer,but megalomaniacs do not do that...

Here is an detailed answer for you.

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_110.html

If it was claimed that Sun is going to rest somewhere when it s night for a certain place it would not say this verse (!) :

And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming. (21-33 )

Based on the recent links you don't seem to see any problem with contradiction,you simply say,,look THIS one is right...Where there is contradiction or "abrogation" there cannot be omnipotence..To be a god,said god must get it right the first time...

Goell wrote:

I have read the thread several times..Now by way of answering..Ayoubalmo:: Look what islam has done for the world" ..Did you look?? What did you find?? Someone: When a moslem commits an act totally abhorrent to others the response of islam seems to be ;Well he is not a REAL moslem this act is not REAL islam,and now you are saying there is no REAL moslem country..I am sure you will find many moslem countries who disagree with you..Some of the moslem posters (and supporters here) have a habit of saying things "by the way" which are presented as "taken as read"...Take for example the statement above by Ayoubalmo..."looking for the knowledge is jihad"Hmmm,when you read that islam divides the world into two,,,Dar el salaam (where islam rules ) and Dar el harb (where islam does not YET rule ) the veracity of his statement is called into question...When Dar el harb is a place which does NOT WANT islam,islam is to be FORCED upon it...THAT is jihad,and everything else about jihad is wool over the eyes...

not all the muslims are good people, and not all of them are bad. everyone has his personality and every one govern his life as he likes.
you should know that there is not perfect people on this earth. and those people who consider themselves as muslims are mentally ill
some of them do stupid things by the name of islam.why should i accept that then !!?
i like my relegion and i don't accept that someone gives bad image about it.
and everyone christian or muslim or jews, they all make mistakes, and that's not a reason to judge millions of people because of one stupidity.

you have talked about dar al salam....this doesn't exist in quran. this was in some countries. but never has been in quran.
the first reference for muslims is the quran.

guys, is there any other attack ??

Ayoubalmo..."You have talked about dar al salam...this doesn't exist in qoran""...Try qoran 10.25 and /or 6.127...