Sphyrna wrote:

It is not something that can be done by an ordinary person to make some diagnoses and determinations that could be understood after centuries. The Prophet (pbuh) made statements about tens of different branches of science; those statements turned out to be miracles as the branches of science developed. For instance, he said, “For every disease, there is a cure.”[1] As the science of medicine developed and the pharmacy of nature was searched by scientists, it was confirmed that this statement was a miracle. If there were a disease that has not been cured for centuries, this claim of the Prophet would be refuted. However, when a disease was determined, a cure for that disease was found after a while as it was expressed by the Prophet (pbuh).

What miracle? Where is the cure for AIDS, cancer?

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He applied quarantine centuries ago. “'If you hear about an outbreak of plague in a land, do not go to it; but if plague breaks out in a country where you are staying, do not run away from it.”[2] Thus, he indicated the existence of tiny organisms that were noticed only after the invention of the microscope and infectious diseases in a period when microbes, bacteria and infectious diseases were not known.

There is no reference to tiny organisms in your quote at all.

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He said, “When a dog licks a utensil, it should be cleaned by soil and then with water seven times.”[3] That is, he advised soil to be used for disinfection. That hadith is a scientific miracle because the existence of the disinfectants like “tetralite” and “terlaxine” in soil was discovered only in this century. Besides, it was also discovered in this century that many harmful organisms that live in the bodies of dogs could also live in the bodies of human beings. He said, “If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it into the vessel and then throw it away; for, in one of its wings, there is a disease and in the other there is healing.” [4] First of all, it is a miracle on its own that the Prophet knew that the fly could carry germs while the people who lived in that period did not know about it. The fly that falls into a dish generally tries to get out through one wing. In that case, to dip the fly into the dish would make it release the antidote into the dish. “When a woman companion said that her bleeding never stopped, he told her to continue performing prayers and added that if the bleeding continued for more than a certain time, it would not be normal bleeding but that it would originate from a disease in the veins.”[5] The medicine has proved today that the menstrual blood that does not stop after a certain time passes is an indication of a disease.

Duh

Did he also "predict" that excessive vomiting is an indication of disease?

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The Prophet (pbuh) said, “Ten things are of nature of man” and he mentioned circumcision as one of them.[6] Today, scientists state that the skin that is cut off during circumcision can be so dangerous as to cause cancer because it accumulates dirt and germs, confirming the miracle of the Prophet (pbuh).

There is no real health benefit for circumcision.

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He said, “Avoid being soiled with urine; do not urinate while standing.” [7] We were informed that urinating while standing causes serious risks. One of those risks is caused by urine particles entering the body through breathing and sticking onto lungs. Another risk is caused by the increase of some microorganisms when the urinary bladder is not emptied completely. Those microorganisms cause illnesses like prostatitis. Moreover, some substances in the urine in the urinary bladder that is not emptied completely deposit and cause the formation of bladder stones.

A wise man once said:
"Do not urinate against the wind."

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The examples given here are like a drop from the sea. As time passes, and as branches of science develop, scientists will confirm the truthiness of the Prophet (pbuh) regarding many issues.

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What miracle? Where is the cure for AIDS, cancer?

you now, before,plaque was an incurable disease,

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At its peak the plague was killing 10,000 people in Constantinople every day and ultimately destroyed perhaps 40% of the city's inhabitants. It went on to destroy up to a quarter of the human population of the eastern Mediterranean.

today?

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There is no reference to tiny organisms in your quote at all.

how does a man contaminate another?

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Infectious diseases, also known as transmissible diseases or communicable diseases comprise clinically evident illness (i.e., characteristic medical signs and/or symptoms of disease) resulting from the infection, presence and growth of pathogenic biological agents in an individual host organism. In certain cases, infectious diseases may be asymptomatic for much or even all of their course in a given host. In the latter case, the disease may only be defined as a "disease" (which by definition means an illness) in hosts who secondarily become ill after contact with an asymptomatic carrier. An infection is not synonymous with an infectious disease, as some infections do not cause illness in a host.[1] Infectious pathogens include some viruses, bacteria, fungi, protozoa, multicellular parasites, and aberrant proteins known as prions. These pathogens are the cause of disease epidemics, in the sense that without the pathogen, no infectious epidemic occurs.

???

He was MUhammed-ul Emin.(pbuh)
you cannot find a lie in his life

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Did he also "predict" that excessive vomiting is an indication of disease?

He was only a prophet and a man, not God like christians say it to jesus( pbuh). and he can only says what Allah says to him( not prediction) about these matters.

all of them are evidences of his prophethood.

Human beings did not make the trees or the rocks. In fact, all human creations can be traced back to basic elements which humans cannot make. Even the artist ‘creates’ designs based on what he has seen. It is not possible to imagine what has not been perceived by the senses. Thus, all of the artist’s thoughts are reflections on what was already created. Only God alone creates from nothing. This basic fact was and still is incomprehensible to some. Some ancient as well as modern philosophers, who could not comprehend how God could create from nothing, claimed that the created world and its contents are all originally a part of God. That is, according to them, God took a part of Himself and made the universe. This conclusion is based on comparing God to man, who can only ‘create’ by modifying what already exists. However, God denies any such comparisons which would give Him human limitations. In the Quran, He states:

“…There is nothing like Him and He is hearer and seer of all.” (Quran 42:11)

Sphyrna wrote:

Who Created Allah? Allah is Unique. He is the only and unique Presence whose Person and nature are free from looking like those of other creatures, from space and time, from change and evolution. He is Eternally Besought One. All creatures need him –be it their creation or their life, in short, in all situations they are in need of Him. He is in need of nothing. Allah is free from the attributes such as begetting and being begotten. Because He has neither a beginning nor an end. Yes, He existed and there was nothing else but Him. How can it be thought that Allah (SWT), Pre-Eternal and Post-Eternal, has come into existence by any other ones involvement? He has no partner, no match, and no equivalent. There can be thought no being that could ever be equivalent to Him in His creation, management, discipline, or sovereignty. Someone even with a bit of cleverness knows that this contradictory question cannot be asked about such a Person. Yes, the one created cannot be a creator. The one whose power and might are infinite cannot come into existence by any others involvement. The one who has no beginning cannot come into existence afterwards. In short, it is not possible for someone to be in a position both being equipped with infinite attributes of perfection of creativity and having infinite deficiencies for being a creature. The point also has to do with concatenation and it is as follows: In chain of events, there must be a ring that other rings can attach to it. For example, in a train with fifteen railway wagons, each wagon is pulled by the previous wagon. Eventually when we arrive at the locomotive, we do not ask, What pulls the locomotive? There must be a vehicle –locomotive- that has enough power to pull and, that does not need to be pulled so that the train moves properly. In the same way, if we ask how sugar is made, we will be told that it is made in sugar factory. If we ask where the machines tools in the sugar factory are made, we will be shown their workshops. In the end if the problem does not rest on knowledge and will, the workshop of the workshop will be asked and we will find ourselves in a vicious circle. A private receives order from a corporal, he receives order from captain, and finally commander-in-chief receives from king. You cannot ask who he receives order from, since he is not the one to receive order but the one to give order. If he too is to receive order from somebody, he also becomes the one who receives order and the one who gives him order becomes king. It is clearly understood from the explanations made here that the existence of this universe rests on a Creator who is eternal with His Person, names and attributes. It is not possible to ask by reason that created such a Person.

Are you making the argument that it is logically necessary for there to be a universal creator/agent that preexisted everything, is the cause of everything, and "transcends" the universe? Could you explain why it is impossible that my claim (the universe always has and will exist) is true? I'd ask that you refrain from using metaphors, if you would, because they seem to cloud the content of our discussion.

Anyway in response to the metaphors you've used to explain why there must be a single/unique creator, here are my responses:

1. The train example. Events are not like train cars. First, they are not linear/"hierarchical", but without such structure. Every event is caused by many things (and arguably all things), and it does not need some original/transcendent cause, because in each event we can see the actor/causes (or at least many of them).

2. The sugar factory. There is no vicious circle inherent in the sugar factory example. The tools to harvest sugar are made from raw materials like iron and wood. Iron is an element, which is plentiful because of its "balanced" state in energy (you can't gain energy by giving it more or fewer protons), and wood comes from trees, which grow using the energy of the sun.

3. The military hierarchy example. You left out from that example that many kings have justified their unlimited power by claiming to receive their orders from God. Anyway, so is your point that we all are only following orders in our lives, and that those must come from God? To me, the much more simple answer (and the one that seems to be supported by all of human history) is that we actually all must make decisions for ourselves, and even taking orders from a military commander is in itself a decision.

Sphyrna wrote:

Quote: What miracle? Where is the cure for AIDS, cancer? you now, before,plaque was an incurable disease, Quote: At its peak the plague was killing 10,000 people in Constantinople every day and ultimately destroyed perhaps 40% of the city's inhabitants. It went on to destroy up to a quarter of the human population of the eastern Mediterranean. today?

Obviously researchers work hard to cure diseases. Once in a while they will find a cure. What is the miracle there?

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, pointed in his various sayings and explanations to the fact that the baby in mother’s womb carries a number of genetic features (characteristics) which are being inherited from the parents:

When a Jewish person asked Him, “what is man created from?” he replied: “Man is created from a blend (mixture) of zygotes of both man and woman.” Then the Jew said: “Moses as well said the same before you.”2

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, also shed light onto the fact of resemblance or inheritance of character by way of genes:

“Is bathing a must for women?” asked Umm Sulaim to the Prophet.
“Yes, it is a must when her seminal fluid outflows and seen,” he replied.
“Do women have wet dreams?” she asked.
“May God grant you goodness! How otherwise a child resembles to his/her mother?” He replied.3
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As seen and understood by His above hadith (saying), He who was the great teacher of mankind was the first person who said that women do also see wet dreams.
He has also been the first person who articulated the concept of “dominancy,” which was not understood before 1850s.

He said:
“The child resembles to either side of the parents whose seminal fluid comes to the fore and surpasses the other’s in mother’s womb during the intercourse. If there is an equilibrium, then, resemblance is also in equilibrium for both sides.”4

“If, during the intercourse, seminal fluid of the man precedes and surpasses that of the woman, then, the child resembles to the father, and if semimal fluid of the woman precedes and surpasses that of the man, then, the child resembles to the mother.”5

“If seminal fluid of the woman surpasses that of the man, then, the child resembles to his/her maternal uncles, and, if seminal fluid of the man surpasses that of the woman, then, the child resembles to his/her paternal uncles.”6

In another one of His sayings, He points out to the fact that the recessive characters (features) in the grand ancestorial gene pool would dominantly and collectively emerge after following a couple of generations:

“A man having a blackish baby boy approached and said to the Prophet:
“I am suspecting my wife.”
“Do you have camels?” the Prophet asked him.
“Yes,” he replied.
“Then, how are their colors?” The Prophet asked.
“Red.”
“Is there any one with grey color among them?”
“Yes, there is.”
“Then, where did this grey color come from?” asked the Prophet.
“Presumably from a line of its ancestors,” the man responded.
“Here you are! This child of you is also presumed to be coming from a line of your ancestors,” the Prophet told the man. 7

Dr. Arslan Mayda is a medical doctor at Sifa Hospital in Izmir, Turkey.

ab559950 wrote:

Sphyrna wrote: Quote: What miracle? Where is the cure for AIDS, cancer? you now, before,plaque was an incurable disease, Quote: At its peak the plague was killing 10,000 people in Constantinople every day and ultimately destroyed perhaps 40% of the city's inhabitants. It went on to destroy up to a quarter of the human population of the eastern Mediterranean. today? Obviously researchers work hard to cure diseases. Once in a while they will find a cure. What is the miracle there?

mentioning neccesity of isolation and the cause of disase centuries ago

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1. The train example. Events are not like train cars. First, they are not linear/"hierarchical", but without such structure. Every event is caused by many things (and arguably all things), and it does not need some original/transcendent cause, because in each event we can see the actor/causes (or at least many of them).

What atheists like Dawkins truly mean by this question is: “If every form of existence needs a cause, how can God exist without a cause? And if God can exist without a cause, then why can’t the universe exist without a cause?” A logical response would be that every existence does not need a cause, but that everything that has a beginning needs a cause. The universe has a beginning; therefore, it needs a cause. According to the theory of relativity, time is a dimension of this universe. Therefore, time is also part of this nature (natural). Dawkins’ definition itself states that “God is supernatural,” which means He is beyond and above anything in this universe, including time. If that is so, then God is eternal (timeless); He has neither beginning nor end; hence, He does not need a cause