I think people are making a stupid mistake trying to read science into a holy text. The Qu'ran is not concerned about with science as we understand but about God and more importantly, how human beings are to properly relate to God, particularly by being compassionate and just towards each other. Treating the Qu'ran as a science textbook is nonsense and it surprises me Muslims would do this, given very early on in Islam Muslim scientists took the exhortations in the Qu'ran to learn seriously and tried to find knowledge from any sources they could find, including Pagan wisdom. It is a shame such an attitude seems to have been replaced today by fanatical fundamentalism.

@Hermoira

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

Firstly i suggest you to check this list. And then think seriously and try to figure out inventions of those scientists and the relation with modern science.

You are funny to ask some illogical questions. Firstly you answer me. How many islamic countries are there right now ? If people do not read Quran and study it , it s not the mistake of Islam. It s muslims fault.

My answer is if there was a real muslim country it would be the first country, When muslims really mind islam and come around Quran you will find them every single time leading the World. When they are far from it again you will find people (like you ) talking about islam in a wrong way ,without knowledge and illiterately. I dont blame you. It s our , muslims mistake.

Again i m telling you, whatever you do , you can not find any illogical statement in Quran. Quran s such a book, if you try to take out one letter from it or change it, it will be clear. There s such a perfect mathematic in it.

I provided the link my previous post, instead of reading them , trying to slander Quran is not suiting you.

Mr-Talkative wrote:

Will fellow muslim brothers mind giving me certain passages regarding Science in the holy quran.? i will appreciate that. Just post the verse n the brief description of the verse

OK PEOPLE, LET'S PLAY THE GAME HIS WAY.

Which is Just post the verse n the brief description of the verse

NO POSTING OF WEBSITES
NO GOING OFF TOPIC.
Mr-Talkative, this is your topic, and seeing you asked nicely, posters should respect your request.

Just give me few verses from that link.i am lazy and plus lets say i would rather want a muslim to point out something than reading and interpreting it in my own way.

@indonesian girl-Easy baby easy!Not all muslims are blood seeking mogrels.Rather lets see how f u c k e d world policies are,Including those of many muslim countries...Anyone who is starving and see his family dead would revolt.Although they should understand that killing someone cause you arent happy isnt logical.Anyway i hope you point out the verses you are talking about

@others,Lets say i want a proof that the quran is a book straight from god and as someone pointed out,its impossible to find something illogical,so lets see how logical the book is.Lets learn something or teach someone something.

@greg,Lets see how things develop.Right now i dont wanna sound biased.Maybe quran is indeed a miracle book or maybe it isnt but just an human scrippted book.

someone86 wrote:

@Hermoira http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists (1)Firstly i suggest you to check this list. And then think seriously and try to figure out inventions of those scientists and the relation with modern science. (2)You are funny to ask some illogical questions. Firstly you answer me. (3)How many islamic countries are there right now ? If people do not read Quran and study it , (4)it s not the mistake of Islam. It s muslims fault. (5)My answer is if there was a real muslim country it would be the first country, When muslims really mind islam and come around Quran you will find them every single time leading the World. When they are far from it again (6)you will find people (like you ) talking about islam in a wrong way ,without knowledge and illiterately. I dont blame you. It s our , muslims mistake. Again i m telling you, whatever you do , (7)you can not find any illogical statement in Quran. Quran s such a book, if you try to take out one letter from it or change it, it will be clear. (8)There s such a perfect mathematic in it. I provided the link my previous post, instead of reading them , (9)trying to slander Quran is not suiting you.

1. I checked your link and yes I found many many muslims scientists but just a little of them are well known in the world.. the rest are nothing and really not well known in the world they are not in the "100 greatest world scientists"...

2. Illogical questions..?? oh babe, you have to think about it again... you just hate to admit that you can't answer them all...

3. check this link http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/photo/2010-08/18/c_13450304.htm those 10 big countries are Finland, Switzerland, Sweden, Australia, Luxembourg, Norway, Canada, Netherlands, Japan, Denmark. that was originally from U.S. Newsweek.com and the list of top 100 best countries around the world based on five categories: Education, Health, Quality of Life, Economic Dynamism and Political Environment. and unfortunately, none of those ten countries are Islamic countries...

4. yes it is... just like in other religions... human errors are always exist and become big troubles for its religion...

5. you said "My answer is if there was a real muslim country it would be the first country".. means there is no a real muslim country... ??

6. my explanations and my questions are clearly using reliable sources and if you are typically open minded person, you'll think about it deeply... well I'll give you the real knowledge about well known/famous scientists ever

the scientific 100: a ranking of the most influential scientists, past and present wrote:

Isaac Newton (Anglican), Albert Einstein (Jewish), Neil Bohr (Jewish), Charles Darwin (Anglican), Louis Pasteur (Catholic), Sigmund Freud (Jewish), Galileo Galilei (Catholic), Johannes Kepler (Lutheran), Nicolaus Copernicus (Catholic), James Clerk Maxwell (Presbyterian), Claude Bernard (Christian), Franz Boas (Jewish), Werner Heisenberg (Lutheran), Linus Pauling (Lutheran), Rudolf Virchow (Christian), Erwin Schrodinger (Catholic), and more you may read the names on this book "The Scientific 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present, Citadel Press (2000), written by John Galbraith Simmons. or visit this link http://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html

so the book mentioned that there are only 2 muslims influential scientists and they are not really well known I think...

7. really.. ??? you agreed that Quran explained about Miracles... do you think that all those Miracles are about logical things..??

8. I admit that...

9. sure, spreading slanders isn't my characteristic... what about you...??

my point is... Not many muslims are able to use the science on their Quran properly and it's kinda useless.... I'm not saying that Christianity has many science verses (we have it but not as detail as Quran) but at least, we've been trying to find more greatest science inventions and we did it.... and applauses/thumbs up for those smart Atheists also... I admit that those people are being atheists because they believe to their brain more than to a holy book.. and that's why they are smart...

so....
Religion isn't all about logic, or about science,, it's all about wisdom and miracles...

@Mr. Talkative
I told you that I lost my Quran 3 years ago... well, no problem... I can search those verses in internet... thanks for Mr. Google (not a muslim)...
let's see these verses....

Quran 7:31 wrote:

O Children of Adam! Wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer; eat and drink, but waste not by excess, for Allah does not love those who waste.

The importance of understanding the ecological consequences of our actions as individuals or as a society was not fully appreciated until this century. We now understand that we cannot alter the face of the earth indiscriminately without paying some penalty, which may be disastrous. We also understand that caution ought to be applied globally, not just locally but truly "on land and sea". Ecological awareness does not imply asceticism however. According to the Qur'an, we are not forbidden to take pleasure in this life, however we are forbidden from wasting resources needlessly.

Quran 21:30 wrote:

...And We made every living thing from water...

Quran 300:48 wrote:

It is Allah Who sends the winds, and then they raise clouds: then He spreads them in the sky as He wills and makes them dark, then you see the drops issue from the midst of them...

Quran 24:43 wrote:

Don't you see how Allah drives clouds with force, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - then you see the drops issue from the midst of them. And He sends down from the sky mountains (of clouds) wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases. The flash of His lightning well-nigh snatches away the sight.

The two verses are describing the stages in the formation of rain clouds, which is in turn a stage in the water cycle. A close examination of these two verses suggests that they make reference to two different phenomena, one of "spreading" the clouds and the other of "joining" them together, two different processes by which rain clouds might be formed.

Mr-Talkative wrote:

Just give me few verses from that link.i am lazy and plus lets say i would rather want a muslim to point out something than reading and interpreting it in my own way. @indonesian girl-Easy baby easy!Not all muslims are blood seeking mogrels.Rather lets see how f u c k e d world policies are,Including those of many muslim countries...Anyone who is starving and see his family dead would revolt.Although they should understand that killing someone cause you arent happy isnt logical.Anyway i hope you point out the verses you are talking about @others,Lets say i want a proof that the quran is a book straight from god and as someone pointed out,its impossible to find something illogical,so lets see how logical the book is.Lets learn something or teach someone something. @greg,Lets see how things develop.Right now i dont wanna sound biased.Maybe quran is indeed a miracle book or maybe it isnt but just an human scrippted book.

nope but i'm sure that will all change the more you post

Quran isnt a biology or chemistry book. it's a religious spiritual book which contains elements from universal science though. as far as i checked Someone86's weblink at the first page, it gives you many verses about your question and this topic is done

Hermoira_Mita wrote:

and then I'll ask you to see the facts from these questions: 1. how many Islamic countries in the world are categorized as "the first world countries"..?? 2. how many Muslims in the world are well known as "the smartest/the most influential/the most intelligence peoples ever"..?? 3. how many greatest libraries, greatest laboratories, greatest museums of science, and greatest universities in the world which are held/built in Islamic countries...???

this simply looks like a trolling attempt, following other comments of yours here.

OP is talking about verses from Quran, not muslim countries. if you're interested about muslim countries or weather forecast of Guinea, you can go open another thread and i'm sure muslim users will satisfy you with many replies. they will include blood thirsty crusades and Mongol invasion of muslim countries too.


Edit: *Quran, not Islam

la_Turca wrote:

Islam isnt a biology or chemistry book. it's a religious spiritual book which contains elements from universal science though. as far as i checked Someone86's weblink at the first page, it gives you many verses about your question and this topic is done Hermoira_Mita wrote: and then I'll ask you to see the facts from these questions: 1. how many Islamic countries in the world are categorized as "the first world countries"..?? 2. how many Muslims in the world are well known as "the smartest/the most influential/the most intelligence peoples ever"..?? 3. how many greatest libraries, greatest laboratories, greatest museums of science, and greatest universities in the world which are held/built in Islamic countries...??? this simply looks like a trolling attempt, following other comments of yours here. OP is talking about verses from Quran, not muslim countries. if you're interested about muslim countries or weather forecast of Guinea, you can go open another thread and i'm sure muslim users will satisfy you with many replies. they will include blood thirsty crusades and Mongol invasion of muslim countries too.

oh babe
still remember when you gave an advice to compare Christianity perspective and Islam perspective when the topic and OP asking only about Christianity (Jesus Son of God or Son of man?")? and now when I give the facts and not using my Christianity perspective, see you try to deny the facts.

by the way. I quoted Quran verses and appreciate them and I'm not like Someone86 who only could put the link, I doubt if he really understood about those link's contents. Peace be upon you Someone86 and you babe La_turca.

Greg3001 wrote:

I think people are making a stupid mistake trying to read science into a holy text. The Qu'ran is not concerned about with science as we understand but about God and more importantly, how human beings are to properly relate to God, particularly by being compassionate and just towards each other. Treating the Qu'ran as a science textbook is nonsense and it surprises me Muslims would do this, given very early on in Islam Muslim scientists took the exhortations in the Qu'ran to learn seriously and tried to find knowledge from any sources they could find, including Pagan wisdom. It is a shame such an attitude seems to have been replaced today by fanatical fundamentalism.

considering the quran as a scientific book is a big mistake. god in quran tell us to learn and to study because it's interesting.

quran explained some natural phynomenas by giving some examples.just to make us close to our god, and to see how much this universe is wonderful. so when quran explained how the sper was developing..into a baby, you see that it's something great nad it's not made from nothing.
when you look to the stars,trees,animals...you discover that there is no place for considence,but all this were designed and created by "a powerful creator" and we call that " god".