someone86 wrote:

Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers. (Qur'an, 75:4) Allah knows what every female bears and every shrinking of the womb and every swelling. Everything has its measure with Him. (Qur'an, 13:8 ) And the sun runs to a fixed resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Surah Ya Sin, 38 )

Looks like we are getting there.

All we need now is the brief decsription.
Not a link... or a 5000 word essay... a brief description.

ayoubalmo wrote:

Hermoira_Mita wrote: I don't know them and I'm sure that their names aren't mentioned on many high school science books. But Galileo Galilei, Isaac Newton, James Watt, Charler Darwin, etc, I'm sure that many peoples know those names and those names are mentioned in almost science books in the world. I already quoted the names and the link before and you may recheck them and their religion status here http://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html no problem sister. i know that (1)everybody here is looking just to talk about islam negativly and (2)nobody wants to hear that muslim scientists were brilliant and they gived a lot in many scientific fields. (3)i'm sure you are not studying physics or medcine..that's why you're judging muslim scientists. again, i advice you to read a little about science's history.there is many videoson youtube , anyway i know (4)you're not going to watch them or even to correct your ideas !!

1. Just like most of you guys have been doing to us (Christians) but I'm not into it I admit many great things and great verses of Quran (if yo did read my posts carefully).

2. again, you didn't get my point. "not many of them are totally influential". Brilliant, famous, and influential are three different things. For examples: James watt is very influential inventor. His invention influenced to "Industry Revolution". James Watt, Galileo Galilei, etc are the founding fathers of science. Aren't they?

3. I'm not. Are you? I'm a political science faculty student. You don't have to be a doctor to know about hemoglobin, and health. Make a friend with a doctor and searching informations about them are enough.

4. I'm here not to correct my idea.

someone86 wrote:

The funny thing is , if Hermoira doesnt hear about a scientist it means she s not known. Grow up sister.

There are many things I heard and I know and hope you won't be surprised when I tell you that I ever sent as a volunteer for Indonesia Young Red Cross and ever won a big science Championship. jus saying. You shouldn't underestimating people. Sure, my knowledges are limited. And I'm sure that there many things you don't know about knowledges in this life.

And for someone who was born in 1986, you shame yourself.

Hermoira_Mita wrote:

someone86 wrote: The funny thing is , if Hermoira doesnt hear about a scientist it means she s not known. Grow up sister. There are many things I heard and I know and hope you won't be surprised when I tell you that I ever sent as a volunteer for Indonesia Young Red Cross and ever won a big science Championship. jus saying. You shouldn't underestimating people. Sure, my knowledges are limited. And I'm sure that there many things you don't know about knowledges in this life. And for someone who was born in 1986, you shame yourself.

See what happens when someone doesn't follow instructions.... we end up with Hermoira_Mita in the blue corner and someone86 in the red corner. Each now eager for the next round, having slipped metal into their gloves.

Shame shame shame of you both.

So how about we call the match a draw and go back to quoting a verse and offering a brief explanation hey?
Before some Mod comes along... and kicks everybody's butt.... including mine

ayoubalmo wrote:

Aristostomias: i'm nota liar, and i'm not very stupid to write liars here if i know that you can search about them. those scientists agree 100% with the quran, and they belive that mohammad is realy a messenger because (as they said) nobody could know all those informations in that time. you can see videos about this, what do you need more to be convinced that they totally agree with quran !? please if you have any more problems with islam just tell me !? i'll be happy to know more i know you won't never stop searching for contradictions in quran , good luck

I'm not accusing you of being a liar: you obviously quoted some Islamic source, which contained lies. The first three links in my post are links to Youtube videos in which the persons in question explicitly say that they are not muslims nor do they believe in Islam. The fourth one says that there was "mutual manipulation", which indicates that there was something else than religion and truth going on. The final one is the link to the original video, where Johnson says that there could've been communication with God involved in making the Qur'an, but there was no indication of his accepting Islam.

You claimed that they had all converted to Islam. That's false for the first three -- demonstrably false. They say it explicitly.

The latter two are suspect at least, and I've found no indication that they believe in Islam.

Finally, in the videos they don't agree with the Qur'an 100% -- in fact at least in some cases their words are out of context, as is explained in a few of the videos. In general, they express their belief that the Qur'an contains knowledge that must have come from God -- that's hardly agreeing with the whole Qur'an! In all likelihood, because they are not muslims, they have not even read the whole Qur'an.

As for contradiction in the Qur'an, I don't have to look for them (I never have): that's what ex-muslims are for.

Mate ( yes you Aristostomias) I thought you'd come to help me stop the fighting rabble!!!
Oh well, I guess this is a perfect example that us Mods are also human.

""And the sun runs to a FIXED resting place"".....Ok ,the sun is in the sky,it doesn't go wandering off,so, it is fixed...Resting place..if one was unaware that the earth is a globe,and if,like mohammet,one is convinced that the sun sets on the earth,then it would not have an orbit,it would go from east to west each day,no one thought to ask mohammet how the sun got back to the east ready for the morning...Mohammet said the earth is stretched out like a carpet,,,a carpet is flat, with edges,,mohammet did not KNOW there were people and life on the other side of the world,how could he?? the world according to him was flat..Yes yes "like" a carpet..But how does the sun get back to the east without being seen ??
We are talking FLAT earth..Mohammet would have been wiser to answer....Bretheren I do not know the answer yet,jibrill has not told me but I will pray,perchance on the morrow ,I will have the answer,but megalomaniacs do not do that...

justwannachat wrote:

Mate ( yes you Aristostomias) I thought you'd come to help me stop the fighting rabble!!! Oh well, I guess this is a perfect example that us Mods are also human.

I did consider it but a) you were already here b) I couldn't be bothered to review what had gone on . Maybe later.

come come you may kick my butt for my faults. I wanna know who's the best buttkicker

I quoted those verses before

Aristostomias wrote:

justwannachat wrote: Mate ( yes you Aristostomias) I thought you'd come to help me stop the fighting rabble!!! Oh well, I guess this is a perfect example that us Mods are also human. I did consider it but a) you were already here b) I couldn't be bothered to review what had gone on . Maybe later.

Quote:

come come you may kick my butt for my faults. I wanna know who's the best buttkicker.

I think Aristostomias can kick butt better than I can. I'm too much of a softie.

Faults.. you have faults????