There is 2 thing Culture and Religion

a good Muslim follows Religion and than Culture, for example u can wear jeans, stylish underwear or whatever inside your Hijab or Niquab, that will fulfill the all side

but many Muslim girls don't follow the clothing rules yet they follow other Islamic rules, for example being Christian do all follow every rules?

oh, a very interesting fact is Hijab reduce the rape, even I read that one USA statistic shows that the women use short skirt are more raped in street, club etc.
and if u see the rate of rape in Iran, UAE, KSA, QATER where ppl use more Hijab, its very low.....this is also a funny side! and one christian also told me that their religion also support very protective cloth for women and don't allow something like bikini in beaches, is that right?

Yiseul1317 wrote:

You have a very funny friend, then. First, making fun of people's belief and their custom is not good, everyone knows. Second, all Muslim women don't wear hijab, again I think everyone knows. Al the worst place, I'm a Muslim and I don't wear hijab... so, all Muslim women don't do that. Third, if a man sees a Muslim woman without hijab, they don't definitely have to marry. Fourth, the answer of your main question.... At home, if they be with their family they wouldn't wear hijab. But if they have guests they would. By the way, guests are not usually rude enough to enter someone's house suddenly, without knocking on the door or ringing the door-ring or something. Especially when they know a Muslim family lives in this house, they'd knock before entering.

Yes, my friends around me are funny people which included myself

First, that’s why I didn’t copy paste exactly what he asked as my the title of this thread.

Second, again. I asked about niqab not hijab. If my English is really bad then I better explain with picture :

(PS. I found this picture on internet but written in French. I don’t understand French, anyone who understand French please let me know if it’s written something offensive so I’ll remove this picture)

Third, it’s his joke. My question was : how about if a guest suddenly come? Does she really need to run away into another room such as a bedroom? (so no one can see her face and hair)

Fourth, again. I asked about niqab not hijab. I’m Indonesian and hijab is a very common thing in my country. People in Indonesia mostly live with the big family included with in laws and another reason they used to wear hijab at home too because usually they’re pretty close with their neighbours and don’t even close their front doors when their children are playing around.
This is typical their houses in suburban area in Indonesia :


Anyway thank you again for your answers and from your descriptions I just got some conclusions: They don’t wear burqa at home (in Middle east countries) because they only live the close family (not with in laws), they’re more individual and no guests suddenly come like the society in suburban areas in Indonesia. I guess different weather also another aspect why they don’t have to wear burqa at home.

Yiseul1317 wrote:

So you mean in the airport. Well, women check women in the airports of Islamic countries. Women investigated us when I was in Saudi Arabia.

Ok. Have you ever noticed when it's a woman in BURQA's turn, does she need to show her face to the woman immigration officer? (if her passport shows her face, the officer needs to identify her, except her passport only shows her eyes)

The immigration in line/queue up in Malaysia is similar like this, without men and women seperation :


I just remember that I know someone who works at the airport, I'll visit her in August and I'll ask her about burqa women identification at the immigration. Meanwhile who wants to share about burqa women identification at the immigration is welcomed

happy-carol wrote:

Ok. Have you ever noticed when it's a woman in BURQA's turn, does she need to show her face to the woman immigration officer? (if her passport shows her face, the officer needs to identify her, except her passport only shows her eyes)

Are you serious ? A photo passport showing only the eyes ? Which authority would issue such a thing ?! I would like to see that. Even hijab photos are barely accepted. The ears, form of the face, forehead...all of this must be visible.

Of course they have to show their face. They could be dangerous male criminals/terrorists hiding in women clothes and using fake papers. The women who refuse would be turned back to their countries. Nothing unusual or exceptional, it just happened two weeks ago : 3 Qatari women wearing Burqas were denied entrance in France and turned back to their country, they had refused to comply with security rules.

abyamin000 wrote:

oh, a very interesting fact is Hijab reduce the rape, even I read that one USA statistic shows that the women use short skirt are more raped in street, club etc. and if u see the rate of rape in Iran, UAE, KSA, QATER where ppl use more Hijab, its very low.....this is also a funny side! and one christian also told me that their religion also support very protective cloth for women and don't allow something like bikini in beaches, is that right?

I think you have enough common sense to know that the purpose of hijab is not 'to prevent rape'.

Very low? Where's your source?

Rape rates are actually going to be far higher than statistics show because rape often isn't reported, the women know that people are unlikely to believe them and will accuse them of fornication or adultery and they'll end up being the ones getting punished for it. The fact that there's a massive stigma attached to rape and women are made to feel ashamed if it happens to them and it'll make it difficult for them to get married if people know they were raped.

Indonesian workers especially maids have many harrasment problems in Saudi Arabia and our government stops sending maids to Saudi Arabia due to latest case : Indonesian maid was executed because she murdered her employer who tried to rape her :
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1136630/1/.html

Just to let you know, those maids wear hijab in Arab countries.

About bikini, I guess almost all religions ask the followers to dress modestly. You stated it yourself that not everyone folloe all rules but it doesn’t mean she doesn’t have religion if she wore a bikini

abyamin000 wrote:

but many Muslim girls don't follow the clothing rules yet they follow other Islamic rules, for example being Christian do all follow every rules?

Probably anyone who read bible will explain to you in case bikini is mentioned in the bible or not..

Please note that a few individuals are not spokepersons for the whole religion

SkyPiercer wrote:

happy-carol wrote: Ok. Have you ever noticed when it's a woman in BURQA's turn, does she need to show her face to the woman immigration officer? (if her passport shows her face, the officer needs to identify her, except her passport only shows her eyes) Are you serious ? A photo passport showing only the eyes ? Which authority would issue such a thing ?! I would like to see that. Even hijab photos are barely accepted. The ears, form of the face, forehead...all of this must be visible. Of course they have to show their face. They could be dangerous male criminals/terrorists hiding in women clothes and using fake papers. The women who refuse would be turned back to their countries. Nothing unusual or exceptional, it just happened two weeks ago : 3 Qatari women wearing Burqas were denied entrance in France and turned back to their country, they had refused to comply with security rules.

I would like to see that too

May be because the security officer is a man and they refused to show him their faces? But there are many women in burqa who live in France and I guess they passed the security rules without problem.

happy-carol wrote:

Yiseul1317 wrote: So you mean in the airport. Well, women check women in the airports of Islamic countries. Women investigated us when I was in Saudi Arabia. Ok. Have you ever noticed when it's a woman in BURQA's turn, does she need to show her face to the woman immigration officer? (if her passport shows her face, the officer needs to identify her, except her passport only shows her eyes) The immigration in line/queue up in Malaysia is similar like this, without men and women seperation : I just remember that I know someone who works at the airport, I'll visit her in August and I'll ask her about burqa women identification at the immigration. Meanwhile who wants to share about burqa women identification at the immigration is welcomed

Well, then they'd have to take their burqa off. Burqa is not necessary for hijab.

SkyPiercer wrote:

happy-carol wrote: Ok. Have you ever noticed when it's a woman in BURQA's turn, does she need to show her face to the woman immigration officer? (if her passport shows her face, the officer needs to identify her, except her passport only shows her eyes) Are you serious ? A photo passport showing only the eyes ? Which authority would issue such a thing ?! I would like to see that. Even hijab photos are barely accepted. The ears, form of the face, forehead...all of this must be visible. Of course they have to show their face. They could be dangerous male criminals/terrorists hiding in women clothes and using fake papers. The women who refuse would be turned back to their countries. Nothing unusual or exceptional, it just happened two weeks ago : 3 Qatari women wearing Burqas were denied entrance in France and turned back to their country, they had refused to comply with security rules.

In France at some airports it s also forced to take off the hijab with the security regulations. It s been noted that although the woman passenger asked to the woman officer to show her uncovered head in a private room it was not accepted. It s been said The Hijab must be taken off at the control point. So it s not surprising issue from France.

someone86 wrote:

In France at some airports it s also forced to take off the hijab with the security regulations. It s been noted that although the woman passenger asked to the woman officer to show her uncovered head in a private room it was not accepted. It s been said The Hijab must be taken off at the control point. So it s not surprising issue from France.

All forms of facial masks in public locations are illegal in France except for during special occasions like carnivals.

Lysholm wrote:

someone86 wrote: In France at some airports it s also forced to take off the hijab with the security regulations. It s been noted that although the woman passenger asked to the woman officer to show her uncovered head in a private room it was not accepted. It s been said The Hijab must be taken off at the control point. So it s not surprising issue from France. All forms of facial masks in public locations are illegal in France except for during special occasions like carnivals.

Is Hijab a mask ? I m not talking about niqab or Burqa. When somebody wears hijab her face is clearly shown.